Basic questions about English Channel swim

InthepocketInthepocket Member
edited December 9 in Beginner Questions
Hi
I'm hoping to do a Ec relay next year, can anyone give an opinion on these questions.

Can you explain how the positions and windows work?

4 person relay, how many crew do you think are needed?

What's the main difference between a spring and Neap attempt?

I have been searching the back threads here and on the cs&pf forum but haven't found specific answers yet.

Thanks

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  • NiekNiek Heiloo, NetherlandsMember
    edited August 2013
    @Inthepocket Click on http://channelchallenge.noww.nl/search/node/oram and a lot of your question are answered by Michael Oram

    Same info and more can be found on https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/channel_swimmers but for that group you'll require access permission.
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  • david_barradavid_barra Charter Member
    ...anything worth doing is worth overdoing.
  • Thank you both.

    The first link is great Niek thanks
  • NiekNiek Heiloo, NetherlandsMember
    edited August 2013
    1 coach + 4 swimmers:
    1 swimming, 1 resting after the swim, 1 getting ready to swim. 1 helping the coach and the swimmer getting ready (greasing)
    For a 5 or more relay you can leave the coach at home but I don't recommend that.
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  • NiekNiek Heiloo, NetherlandsMember
    @Inthepocket I've made it easier for you and collected all the Michael Oram wisdoms on 1 page. http://channelchallenge.noww.nl/mow
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  • Spring tides are on the full and new moons. Neap tides are on the quarter moons. All other things being equal, neap tides are usually more friendly to swimmers because the tides aren't as big / strong. But the tides in the EC are always huge, as others here know far better than me.
  • Thanks a lot, I've read everything there Niek and it answered quite a few questions I didn't even know I had:-)
  • NiekNiek Heiloo, NetherlandsMember
    You're welcome.
    Lucky for you we got permissions to copy all the pearls of wisdoms he posts in the Channel Swimmers group.
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  • evmoevmo San FranciscoAdmin
    edited August 2013
    Niek said:

    Lucky for you we got permissions to copy all the pearls of wisdoms he posts in the Channel Swimmers group.

    I would think you are doing everyone a favor by compiling them in one place. Then when people ask about certain topics on the chat group, they can be directed to the pearl repository, rather than be publicly chastised for asking the question, as often happens there.
  • NiekNiek Heiloo, NetherlandsMember
    I'll update it with some I've kept for a rainy day.
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  • I found your website extremely helpful Niek.
  • The link isn't working for me :( I am working on my date for 2016 and would love more info. Is it still active?
  • One or two is probably all you'll need. The other swimmers should be able to help out considerably. I've done other relays were we all took part in being the "crew". The size of your boat should be taken into consideration as well. Those who are looking to lie down might find space as a premium.
  • Positions aka slots work on a booking system. Contact as many pilots as you want, ask what they have available for your year.

    Solos are generally booked two to three years in advance. Only number #3 & #4 slots are usually available for the coming year. You can also request a cancellation or standby.

    For solos, depending on the pilot, the pilots book 1 to 5 slots per tide, (adding both CS&PF & CSA) though any pilot who only books one will allocate a specific day or two days to that swimmer.

    Slot #1 gets first refusal for a swim. If they refuse, then #2 gets the refusal, then #3...

    If slot # 1 takes the swim, then #2 will get the next swimmable tide in that window. For #3, #4 or #5 to swim, those above will have to either swim or refuse. Therefore the chance of #5 swimmer getting a shot within a tide is low. I recommend never taking a #3 or #4 (or #5) for soloits.

    Relays slots are easier to find because if the swimmers are properly trained they can tackle worse conditions than a soloist (since each swimmer will get a rest). Relays also more commonly go on spring tides which soloists commonly (but not exclusively) try to avoid.

    Relay number though have hugely increased because of charity swims (such as Aspire UK who organise multiple teams per year). The sheer number of relays are now putting pressure on the pilots over solo slots as relays are being booked by charities in advance of having any actual swimmers and could be construed as a growing "competition/threat/problem" for solo Channel swimmers.
    evmo
  • I sent an email request to join channel swimmers. Looking to solo in 2016, there are a few slots left. There are no #1 slots as far as I know. And to complicate matters my son goes back to school Aug 9. Do I book 2 back to back slots (1 neap 1 spring?) to make sure I go? How risky is a Spring tide? I imagine the problem is if I can't get across under 11 maybe 12 hours, I could end up swimming a couple more hours? Should I just go in September without family and get warmer water? Ah.. decisions. I couldn't find a neap vs spring discussion on this forum. I understand the tides in general, but there must be some opinions/experience I could learn from.
  • If you go to the CSPF website there is plenty of info on neap vs spring. In addition please feel free to email me directly @ [email protected] It's been ages since I swam it but I have done a 2 relays as well and there are a myriad of things to think about beside neap vs spring, warm vs warmer, family or no...
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  • NiekNiek Heiloo, NetherlandsMember
    edited December 9
    The sub website became independent.
    http://channelchallenge.nl/mow is the new link

    @ttriven
    Michael Oram on Spring versus Neap tides is one of the subjects.
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